acceptable levels. we're seeing levels below 14. but for the most part, watching the russell, it weeks ago was into all-time highs. the s&p lagging as far as that goes. but we've been seeing the grind to the upside, as i mentioned. slow, sustained, higher-type trade and i think it should continue. it's not -- well, it doesn't appear to be weak shorts that have been trying to pick the market in getting out, which normally fuels this type of slow grind higher. i'm seeing open interests increase over the last few days as we've been seeing these higher price levels. so, again, there's conviction associated with the stock indices, but if you look at some of the other majors, like gold and the dollar, it's basically sideways. >> yeah. the fact that it's a slow grind high, is that going to pull or not? is that going to be other money. >>? because there will come a point when there's any slow move. you go, wow, hang on, when did that happen?